La liaison McCoy / Kincaid ?

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La liaison McCoy / Kincaid ?

Messagede snake liquid » 28 Mars 2006, 21:11

dans le site on dit qu'il y a des indices sur l'éventuelle relation Mc coy-Kincaid

eh bien j'ai pas vu ces indices, quelqu'un peut me les citer ?
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La liaison McCoy / Kincaid ?

Messagede chrismelonijunior » 3 Avril 2006, 13:20

C'est toujours implicite mais moi je ne l'ai jamais vu. Jack est très joueur alors on pourrait le supposer un peu avec toutes...
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La liaison McCoy / Kincaid ?

Messagede Seb » 3 Avril 2006, 15:04

chrismelonijunior @ 03/04/2006 à 13:20 a écrit: C'est toujours implicite mais moi je ne l'ai jamais vu. Jack est très joueur alors on pourrait le supposer un peu avec toutes...


Oui, il y a plein de petits détails dans la série qui amène cette relation (le blouson en cuir ou le casque à la main de Claire ce qui sous-entend qu'elle est venue en moto va ce cher Jack...).

Par ailleurs, certains personnages font de grosses allusions au fait que Jack est sortie avec la plupart de ses assistantes...

Ceci dit, j'avoue que je n'ai jamais revu les saisons 5 et 6 en me préoccupant de cet aspect là... (Notre Monique l'a peut-être fait ?)
Néanmoins, cette relation a été confirmée à plusieurs reprises par Rene Balcer (qui, à l'époque, était showrunner sur la série; cf. cette interview notamment ;)).

Il existait des sites US sur la série (Lust in the DA's Office et The Jack & Claire File), ils ont malheureusement disparus avec l'hébergeur Geocities... :(

Allez quelques extraits de posts issus du Forum de la chaîne TNT :
Jim Jackson a écrit:SPOILERS.

Claire and Jack worked together for 2 seasons (seasons 5 and 6 of L&O). During that time, there are clues dropped throughout that Jack and Claire are having an affair, though it is never stated explictly on-camera that this is so. It would take some effort to present all the clues in all the various episodes from this time. But the clues are there.

At the end of season 6, in the episode AFTERSHOCK (IMHO, one of LAW AND ORDER'S 10 "must see" episodes), Claire and Jack, along with Lennie and Rey, witness a convict's execution. Claire spends the day in self-analysis wondering if she should continue as an attorney. She avoids phone calls from Jack, who spends the day getting drunk and talking about his dead father. While at the bar, clearly, Jack is waiting for Claire to call him and when she finally doesn't, he says "to hell with her." Again, remarks more typical to a lover than to just someone you work with.

Claire is involved in a car accident at the end of this episode with a drunk driver while driving a drunken Lennie home from a bar (where he'd spent time getting drunk with Jack). Claire is shown unconscious and obviously seriously injured. This is Claire's last apperance. But it is not stated on-camera, at this time, that Claire died.

Season 7 does start off with some questions from Van Buren to Curtis asking how Lennie's doing. And Lennie tells, I believe, Jack, that he could have just kept walking past that bar (and not stopping in to get drunk). There is a time during Jamie's tenure where she asks Jack about a date he had with a friend of hers and that Claire Kincaid was mentioned. Jack assures Jamie that he's not "obsessing" over her. Again, behavior you'd ascribe to someone who's lost a lover, not someone who's lost a colleague.

In Season 8, we discover in the episode UNDER THE INLFUENCE that the drunk driver who struck Claire received a relatively small amount of jail time. This comes to light during another drunken driving case that Jack and Jamie are prosecuting. Jack wants to charge murder, not vehicular homicide. He withholds evidence in an attempt to get the defendant convicted, with the judge's compliance. Finally, Jack realizes that what he's doing is wrong and motivated more by his sense of vengeance than an adherence to the Law. There are moments throughout this episode that Jack is near tears and he gives the look of a man grieving. Again, no mention is made that he and Claire were lovers, but given his willingness to nearly get disbarred over this, one has to conclude that she meant a GREAT deal to him.

In SIDESHOW, from Season 9, the Independent Counsel probes into Jack's professional career and uncovers the evidence that he withheld in the drunk driving case (UNDER THE INFLUENCE). We also hear again of Jack's affair with assistant DA Diana Hawthorne (TROPHY), who withheld evidence in another case while working with Jack (she was his lover and withheld this evidence to gain a conviction and get "her man" the promotion to EADA). And we also have the first on-camera evidence that Claire is dead, when Mr. Dell asks Jack about the car crash that killed his lover.

Jack, though disgusted by Dell, makes no denial that Claire was his lover. It is at this time that he utters "Have you no shame?" to Mr. Dell and leaves the Grand Jury Room.

So, Jack and Claire WERE lovers.



cyntha33 a écrit:Jim well makes the point that you'll never see anything on screen that point blank says 'Jack and Claire were lovers; but with a bit of imagination that L & O in a Shakespearean move leaves to our imagination they had sex in the office on several occassions (couple of eps where Adam or someone would knock and come in, Jack would be tucking in his shirt looking smug while Claire looked blissful); they always left together (unless Jack was in a bad mood, in which cases Claire looked Dismal)...

When Jack joined the cast in Second Opinion, we quickly learn that he has had affairs with all 3 of his female previous assistants. He requested to work with Claire; and we know she has had an affair with an older authority figure judge in prior ep. In other words, she has a weakness and Jack is (God love him) a workaholic who could score intelligent women anywhere he wanted to make the effort, but he's lazy in that regard. Even his ex wife was a former assistant. And we have Jack undressing in their first scene (ok, behind the door, but I ask you has anyone ever had their boss change clothes in the same room and NOT slept with him/her?)

Once you start to pick up on these things, as you watch their 2 seasons, even the eps that don't have any "clues" are resplendent with tender looks, conversations that are just a hair within the normal conversational space, etc.

(...)

One of the most striking clues for me was when Claire said to Jack "Men have a way of deluding themselves' as they were walking down the street. Jack responding with a bit of a shocked look and something about 'not present company, I hope" or the time as Adam, Jack, and CLaire are walking to elevator, with Adam ahead of them says "what does anyone really know about the person they are sharing their bed with" and Jack flashes a classic sly grin, with raised eyebrows towards
Claire, who deadpan looks straight ahead....




Et une petite citation de Dick Wolf pour la route : "As to whether or not she (Claire) was sleeping with Jack, let me just say that his grief over her car accident in season 6 was much more than a professional loss."
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